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Jan. 9th, 2006 01:56 am
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You won't be surprised that I have to confess that I've fallen behind with my assignments.
Still, there's something else I have to get out of the way before I can finish my marking. (I'm nearly there and will call it a night after posting this, which means I've got to get up early tomorrow morning.)

This afternoon - while avoiding the desk of course - I watched a documentary on arte about the legend of the Flying Dutchman. For those of you who have got access to arte, it is repeated on January 14: description in French.
I remember that once upon a time [livejournal.com profile] frenchani wrote a post connecting the Buffyverse and Wagner's opera The Flying Dutchman. I can't remember much of it and I'm definitely not a Wagnerianer, but I would be interested in revisiting it. Do you still have it somewhere?
It was interesting to see how this legend of a ghost ship was fleshed out and went through several re-workings and versions especially in the 19th century with its penchant for gothic stories. Pirates of the Caribbean is probably the best-known and newest incarnation of the many ghost ship stories around.
Then I suddenly realized that I wrote about a ghost ship not so long ago when I linked The Rhime of the Ancient Mariner and Serenity. I had focused on the captains in my earlier post, but I forgot about the ships.
And here is another twist: When Mal and his crew travel to Miranda through Reaver territory, they masquerade as a ghost ship. He doesn't kill the albatross, but he still chooses to become the captain of a ghost ship - for a short time only, of course. And again, we get to see the unusual perspective - the living attempting to fool the the other ghost ships. Of course, for the sailors of the past encounters with ghost ships were just as scary as the tales of the reavers are for the folks in the Fireflyverse.

Date: 2006-01-09 08:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] comava.livejournal.com
That does sound interesting, thanks for letting me know.

Date: 2006-01-09 11:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frenchani.livejournal.com
Oh it was a long time ago!!! I don't think I saved it. I barely remember it. Actually I posted about Wagner several times.

Wasn't it a post about redemption and love with several operas, including Lohengrin, Parsifal and Tristan?

I kinda recall post that focused on Der Fliegende Hollander though...Could have been about Why We Fight in Ats, the ghost ship becoming a submarine.
But Buffy doesn't really fit in Senta's role.

Date: 2006-01-09 11:34 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] sister-luck.livejournal.com
I remember the redemption posts, but there was another one about Der Fliegende Holländer. I think that you argued that Buffy isn't Senta, but related it somehow to Spike's sacrifice.

Date: 2006-01-09 12:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frenchani.livejournal.com
Well at least I have a certain consistency LOL

I'm sorry I must have thought about the connection and posted on it immediately on the board but I didn't save it. The relation between Spike and Senta seems familiar indeed but I don't remember how I made it! LOL

BTW there's a ghost ship on Dracula too, I guess that Bram Stocker used the legend!

I do think that Angel is the best candidate to play the Dutchman, because he's cursed too, and in WWF (I know you dislike the episode) he even got to become a Captain !

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